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Post by Memnoch on Jul 6, 2013 16:49:39 GMT -11
So, about a month ago I gave up dip (smokeless tobacco) for an e-cig...I am in love with them. First, I get bored with flavors, the flavor options seem endless (the last website I ordered from has 375 flavors, plus you can mix any 2 meaning over 100,000 flavors). Second, based on the wording of Ohio state law, it is not smoking, therefore I am allowed to do it in public places unless the business restricts it. Third, it removes all of the "gross" aspects of tobacco. I'd love to find more people who have a passion for this and discuss all of the intricacies such as VG/PG, Bats, tips, mixes, sources...anything.
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Post by bronachdruid on Jul 6, 2013 16:57:01 GMT -11
I would love to hear what people have to say about them. I had been researching them lately, but there are so many different kinds! Any advice for best ones to begin with?
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Post by Memnoch on Jul 6, 2013 17:06:07 GMT -11
I would love to hear what people have to say about them. I had been researching them lately, but there are so many different kinds! Any advice for best ones to begin with? Great question. My personal opinion is you should start with something cheap. It would be silly to go out and spend $75 or more on a kit and then you don't like it or can't switch. Westsidevapor.com has a great starter kit for $15, and all you have to do is switch the cartridges. They are more limiting, but for $25 you will have a starter kit and 5 cartridges (5-7 packs of cigs)...if you like them you can move from there. This site also has a lot more flavors for cartridges than most others. A bit of advice...you will notice the flavor change before the battery dies, you will want to charge it then...I personally was recharging every 4-6 hours. If you like it I would work up to the ones where you add your own liquids, price and flavor being the top 2 reasons. The price for the one mentioned above comes out to $2/pack plus $15 every 3 months (the life of the battery)...which is cheap compared to cigs. I paid $40 for my liquid based one, and it came with 2 5ml (5 packs each) things of juice, so 10 packs of cigs and a starter kit for $40...a 5ml bottle runs between $2-$4...so you are getting down to $.50-$1/pack...plus an unlimited number of flavors. I just got in an order of bacon, egg nog, jagerbomb, fluffernutter (AWESOME), and white peach...I already had coffee and caramel.
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Post by Memnoch on Jul 6, 2013 17:09:05 GMT -11
Oh, if you get the cartridge one, they are not interchangeable (another downside) so you will have to order from the same place every time. That is another plus to the juice ones...I can pick up juice at any tobacco store...not that I need to because I've already ordered so many. You can always ask at the tobacco stores if they have a sample, and make sure they explain to you how to use them...then study up online, and you can always ask me. Sometimes it is trial and error (like when I had to clean mine).
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Post by itisjustmelorrie on Jul 6, 2013 17:11:13 GMT -11
I can't be around smoke any more, the bf smokes outside or in his garage, but I got him a few cheap e- cigs for when he can't go outside. He swears by them for this. He doesn't have to use it often, he keeps one in the house and one in my truck. I have no real idea how they work, but they do not make me sick so I have no complaints! I am happy to buy him more of these when needed.
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Post by Graphite on Jul 6, 2013 17:19:18 GMT -11
I have been contemplating it, but with the costs of oversees purchases and the possibility of the customs issues we could face where I live. The rules on things such as e-cigs are a bit... so and so. Do they contain nicotine?
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Post by bronachdruid on Jul 6, 2013 17:21:49 GMT -11
Wow! That is just crazy with all those flavors! Interesting, I had no idea there were so many options! Soon you will be a connoisseur of the ecig! lol Thanks for the info and advice, I will take a look at that website tomorrow. That does sound like a good place to start.
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Post by Memnoch on Jul 6, 2013 17:38:10 GMT -11
Lorrie, the short of how they work is that pure nicotine and flavoring is added to a mix of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, that mix is heated extremely hot extremely fast and vaporizes...becomes steam....and you inhale that. It isn't much more invasive than the steam from a meal or a cup of coffee...of course some smells are stronger than others.
Graphite, you can get the juices with or without nicotine, ranging from 24mg (more than most cigarettes) 18 (cigarettes) 12 (light) 6 (ultra light) and 0.
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Post by Cassie on Jul 6, 2013 20:14:53 GMT -11
The law here in the UK seems very confused about E-cigs. In many ways they are treated the same as normal cigarettes and therefore banned in public places. Some airlines used to allow them or even sell, them but that policy seems to be in reverse. Anti smoking campaigners seem to think they may encourage more people to continue or start smoking. I am somewhat curious about them although I don't imagine they could replace the real thing, for me at least.
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Post by Graphite on Jul 6, 2013 20:26:00 GMT -11
The legislation is a little wonky on alternative things here in Australia. If it is even remotely related to tobacco items you may have a problem with it. Not using it as much as getting it through customs without having to pay huge tax on it.
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Post by Memnoch on Jul 7, 2013 4:37:53 GMT -11
It is a shame that there are such restrictions, IMO. I believe if you want it to be illegal, make it illegal, otherwise stick with some basic regulations such as age and leave it at that. Honestly there is some small debate going on in the states...but mostly related to how it is advertised. There are companies, mostly Chinese who advertise it as a safe alternative. The FDA is against suggesting any use of nicotine is safe, or even safer. That is part of the reason most U.S. companies have went to the term vaporizers, as it is more accurate, and it doesn't associate it with smoking. Then you have certain cities trying to classify them as drug paraphernalia which I don't understand unless they have an issue where people are extracting THC from marijuana and using that in their juices...but that seems like a hassle for a drug you don't get in much trouble for having in the first place.
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Post by itisjustmelorrie on Jul 7, 2013 6:17:59 GMT -11
I am sure tobacco corps are hating these and fighting them. I keep seeing articles against them usually due to contents. OK sure there are a few questionable ingredients but nowhere near what is in commercial tobacco! They still seem much safer to me!
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Post by thewomanmonster on Jul 7, 2013 7:06:02 GMT -11
I have used e-cigs in the past, I'm seriously considering taking it up again but unfortunately that means the investment in starting up all over again.
I had the refillable cartridge style and mixed my own flavours. I found it quite enjoyable and it really helped me cut down on cigarettes... for me it really is the act of smoking that I love. I didn't care for the kit I got much, battery life was a bitch.
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Post by Cassie on Jul 7, 2013 7:14:25 GMT -11
I have used e-cigs in the past, I'm seriously considering taking it up again but unfortunately that means the investment in starting up all over again. I had the refillable cartridge style and mixed my own flavours. I found it quite enjoyable and it really helped me cut down on cigarettes... for me it really is the act of smoking that I love. I didn't care for the kit I got much, battery life was a bitch. How different is it from the real thing? I have also thought about investing but, like you, I really like the act of smoking and the reviews of E_Cigs I have heard from most smokers aren't very favourable.
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Post by thewomanmonster on Jul 7, 2013 7:17:26 GMT -11
I have used e-cigs in the past, I'm seriously considering taking it up again but unfortunately that means the investment in starting up all over again. I had the refillable cartridge style and mixed my own flavours. I found it quite enjoyable and it really helped me cut down on cigarettes... for me it really is the act of smoking that I love. I didn't care for the kit I got much, battery life was a bitch. How different is it from the real thing? I have also thought about investing but, like you, I really like the act of smoking and the reviews of E_Cigs I have heard from most smokers aren't very favourable. It's different, it's still the act of smoking though. And the flavours make for a refreshing change of pace. Not to mention I can do it in the house without fear of screwing up my rental agreement. Keep checking out reviews there are definitely some good kits out there, I have several friends who are very happy with theirs.
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Post by Cassie on Jul 7, 2013 7:27:18 GMT -11
How different is it from the real thing? I have also thought about investing but, like you, I really like the act of smoking and the reviews of E_Cigs I have heard from most smokers aren't very favourable. It's different, it's still the act of smoking though. And the flavours make for a refreshing change of pace. Not to mention I can do it in the house without fear of screwing up my rental agreement. Keep checking out reviews there are definitely some good kits out there, I have several friends who are very happy with theirs. Thanks. I guess it is something I will have to think about. Here in the UK it is becoming harder to smoke anywhere Or I could move to Europe permanently...
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Post by Memnoch on Jul 7, 2013 13:16:38 GMT -11
Lorrie, big tobacco has their hand in this as well. Lorillard, the makers of Newport own Blu, probably the most famous e-cig company in the U.S.
Graphite, while doing some research I now know what you mean about not being sure about Aussie laws. I read an article from 2010 in which they argued that while it isn't legal, it isn't quite illegal either, so customs is not preventing the shipment. But that was 3 years ago
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Post by thewomanmonster on Jul 7, 2013 19:42:36 GMT -11
I'm hoping to get back on the ecig wagon, because then I could smoke and game at the same time.
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Post by Memnoch on Jul 8, 2013 5:09:08 GMT -11
I'm hoping to get back on the ecig wagon, because then I could smoke and game at the same time. It is interesting, one of the reasons I went from smoking to dipping was so I could do it in more places (it is funny how many places have smoking bans, but not tobacco bans). That is also one of the many things that drew me over to the e-cig.
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Post by MerryFeathersong on Jul 8, 2013 5:34:20 GMT -11
Oh, if you get the cartridge one, they are not interchangeable (another downside) so you will have to order from the same place every time. That is another plus to the juice ones...I can pick up juice at any tobacco store...not that I need to because I've already ordered so many. You can always ask at the tobacco stores if they have a sample, and make sure they explain to you how to use them...then study up online, and you can always ask me. Sometimes it is trial and error (like when I had to clean mine). The law is funny about these things... in Minnesota, they treated them like tobacco products so you had to be 18 to buy them, but when I moved to Ohio I discovered that there isn't an age restriction. One correction on the interchangeable bit - they are not completely interchangeable. The higher-end companies have proprietary battery design which is what makes it a pain. Unless you're buying a forty dollar battery, there are only three or four different designs out there, so if you can find out which kind you have you're golden. I can buy cartridges from at least a half-dozen companies.
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Post by Memnoch on Jul 8, 2013 5:40:58 GMT -11
Oh, if you get the cartridge one, they are not interchangeable (another downside) so you will have to order from the same place every time. That is another plus to the juice ones...I can pick up juice at any tobacco store...not that I need to because I've already ordered so many. You can always ask at the tobacco stores if they have a sample, and make sure they explain to you how to use them...then study up online, and you can always ask me. Sometimes it is trial and error (like when I had to clean mine). The law is funny about these things... in Minnesota, they treated them like tobacco products so you had to be 18 to buy them, but when I moved to Ohio I discovered that there isn't an age restriction. One correction on the interchangeable bit - they are not completely interchangeable. The higher-end companies have proprietary battery design which is what makes it a pain. Unless you're buying a forty dollar battery, there are only three or four different designs out there, so if you can find out which kind you have you're golden. I can buy cartridges from at least a half-dozen companies. I guess I should have said it seems less interchangeable. I know I can't use Blu cartridges with westsidevapor, or Premium with the others. So far with the tanks and bats I've found the only one that isn't interchangeable is Joyetech
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Post by thewomanmonster on Jul 8, 2013 6:37:18 GMT -11
I'm hoping to get back on the ecig wagon, because then I could smoke and game at the same time. It is interesting, one of the reasons I went from smoking to dipping was so I could do it in more places (it is funny how many places have smoking bans, but not tobacco bans). That is also one of the many things that drew me over to the e-cig. I think my boyfriend would benefit from it as well, we both smoke A LOT.
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Post by jemsidhe on Jul 8, 2013 9:13:15 GMT -11
My husband has been looking into them, he smokes a lot, and the more he's stressed the more he smokes. He tries to be good about it, no smoking in the house, no smoking in the cars, etc. However, our youngest, just had her fourth double ear infection this year and we now think that the smoke that is left on him afterwards and any smoke that floats around outside and comes into the house when the window is open, aren't helping any.
Needless to say, he was pretty down and out about it, so I started looking into the ecig and presented the idea to him. It helps that, a friend of ours has now been on them for three weeks and she swears by them and is never going back to traditional cigs. Now its just a matter of finding what he likes. Thats easier said than done, lol.
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Post by Memnoch on Jul 8, 2013 9:33:11 GMT -11
I am one of those who also swears by them. I've bought one can of dip in the past 2 months...this is my go to choice on nicotine delivery. And the fluffernutter flavor is rocking my socks right now...jagerbomb and redbull are both great as well.
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Post by jemsidhe on Jul 8, 2013 16:08:11 GMT -11
I never new that you could make your own flavors, I believe that may be another pro for him getting an ecig.
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Post by Memnoch on Jul 8, 2013 16:40:57 GMT -11
you can make your own flavors...sort of. You can mix the amount of VG/PG, the amount of nicotine, and the amount of flavoring, or mixture of flavorings...but yeah, it is an awesome perk. The downside to me is I think I use them more than I used dip because I love it so much.
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Post by thewomanmonster on Jul 8, 2013 18:11:37 GMT -11
you can make your own flavors...sort of. You can mix the amount of VG/PG, the amount of nicotine, and the amount of flavoring, or mixture of flavorings...but yeah, it is an awesome perk. The downside to me is I think I use them more than I used dip because I love it so much. I made my own flavours with vegetable glycerine, I had one that tasted like Skittles candies.
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Post by Memnoch on Jul 8, 2013 18:14:23 GMT -11
you can make your own flavors...sort of. You can mix the amount of VG/PG, the amount of nicotine, and the amount of flavoring, or mixture of flavorings...but yeah, it is an awesome perk. The downside to me is I think I use them more than I used dip because I love it so much. I made my own flavours with vegetable glycerine, I had one that tasted like Skittles candies. There are actually a few sites that sell a Skittles flavor. I'm starting to think fruity isn't quite my thing. I have a thing of white peach, and while the flavor is good it is a bit subtle, not to mention that I end up bored with it much quicker.
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Post by eldricdragonsbone on Jul 12, 2013 14:19:26 GMT -11
You can make your own flavors. I have a gallon of VG/PG (50%/50%), a pint of 100mg/100ml nicotine, and a dozen flavorings. I make my own custom blend at 26mg nicotine (I make a mean Cafe Mocha and a Cafe Macciato).
AS for interchangeability, if you spend the money on the right battery, you can have complete interchangeability on your tank/cartomizer/atomizer. Using the CE4/CE5/C6 battery system (eGO is one such name brand) allows for a number of different tanks to be used. I use a CE5 battery (and have three different types, including one that is a "pass-through" which means I can plug in a usb/mini-usb cable to it and "vape" as it charges). I have single wick and dual wick single wick clearomizers, and a dual coil fiber-filled tank. I prefer the dual coil as it produces more vapor per puff.
For those not in the US or UK, you may want to find out if you can buy the components separately and import them without the higher taxes. The battery is just a battery, the tank and fluids are where the concern should be. If you are in the UK, I would be careful, as they appear to have made eCigs a completely regulated "medical device".
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Post by Memnoch on Jul 12, 2013 14:34:24 GMT -11
You can make your own flavors. I have a gallon of VG/PG (50%/50%), a pint of 100mg/100ml nicotine, and a dozen flavorings. I make my own custom blend at 26mg nicotine (I make a mean Cafe Mocha and a Cafe Macciato). AS for interchangeability, if you spend the money on the right battery, you can have complete interchangeability on your tank/cartomizer/atomizer. Using the CE4/CE5/C6 battery system (eGO is one such name brand) allows for a number of different tanks to be used. I use a CE5 battery (and have three different types, including one that is a "pass-through" which means I can plug in a usb/mini-usb cable to it and "vape" as it charges). I have single wick and dual wick single wick clearomizers, and a dual coil fiber-filled tank. I prefer the dual coil as it produces more vapor per puff. For those not in the US or UK, you may want to find out if you can buy the components separately and import them without the higher taxes. The battery is just a battery, the tank and fluids are where the concern should be. If you are in the UK, I would be careful, as they appear to have made eCigs a completely regulated "medical device". I think the upside for beginners in paying a bit more at a tobacco shop is getting the knowledge...once you get serious I highly recommend websites like tinydeal, dhgate, or aliexpress...downside with them is it takes forever to ship but you can get a starter kit for $11.
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