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Post by Cassie on Jul 6, 2013 22:08:14 GMT -11
Since we are called "Allpaths", should we have a specific paths section?
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Post by Draco on Jul 6, 2013 23:17:16 GMT -11
Makes since, though I think the idea has to avoid a sub-forum for every single path. Though I agree that a pathworking forum is important.
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Post by Xentor on Jul 7, 2013 0:14:15 GMT -11
We hope to avoid segragating our members. That includes path denominations. We prefer to have people join a discussion based on topic or activity. So we propose to create craft, practice, and thought boards. Arguments pro / con?
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Post by Cassie on Jul 7, 2013 3:03:22 GMT -11
We hope to avoid segragating our members. That includes path denominations. We prefer to have people join a discussion based on topic or activity. So we propose to create craft, practice, and thought boards. Arguments pro / con? I can see the reasoning behind that and it might be interesting to see how that works, but I can think of a few potential problems;- Mainly I think it will make it increasingly difficult as time goes by to know "where" to post and/or find threads and thus could result in a lot of duplication. Secondly there are many things which are "path specific"; in which the given terminology of a particular path is understood by those participating and it could become increasingly tiresome to repeatedly explain definitions and meanings to those joining a thread. For example the term "Priest" has very different connotations to Pagans, Christians or Buddhists. Thirdly it makes anything anyone says open to potential thread derailing attack. For example if I started a thread about the nature of evil seen from a Satanist perspective it would be all too easy for somebody to decide to vent their dislike of Satanism rather than debate the topic. Or a Pagan discussion on the nature of the Goddess could easily be derailed by questions or attacks on the nature of deity itself. Of course the admins could step in where necessary, but it might be making more work for them. While I understand that Allpaths is not meant to be a "spiritual sanctuary" in quite the same way MW was, I think there need to be some areas where members of any path feel comfortable to discuss their beliefs without everything being open to challenge. Otherwise participation may suffer.
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Post by Rhiannon Brid on Jul 7, 2013 3:38:39 GMT -11
I agree with Cassie, if the boards are too broad it's going to get too confusing in terms of where to put something. Already, I've had to question where to put something, which has led to me not asking the question at all, for fear of putting it in the wrong place. And yes, I know the mods can move a thread but eventually that's going to get old fast.
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Post by Kaylara on Jul 7, 2013 3:54:54 GMT -11
You're making a lot of assumptions there, though. When in doubt, post away, and we'll move it if we have to. That's part of our job. We won't give you grief about it, I promise. (Unless you are trolling, or similar things, obviously.) Honestly, moving a thread is one of the least annoying things in our job description. We just started this board, we know this kind of stuff is going to happen. We (the royal we) don't plan on going nuts on people for needing help on the board. I mean, if I'm getting crazy upset about having to move a thread, it's probably about time that I step down as an admin. YKWIM? Please, just post.
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Post by Rhiannon Brid on Jul 7, 2013 4:05:27 GMT -11
You're making a lot of assumptions there, though. When in doubt, post away, and we'll move it if we have to. That's part of our job. We won't give you grief about it, I promise. (Unless you are trolling, or similar things, obviously.) Honestly, moving a thread is one of the least annoying things in our job description. We just started this board, we know this kind of stuff is going to happen. We (the royal we) don't plan on going nuts on people for needing help on the board. I mean, if I'm getting crazy upset about having to move a thread, it's probably about time that I step down as an admin. YKWIM? Please, just post. Okay, sure.
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Post by Kaylara on Jul 7, 2013 4:12:41 GMT -11
Cassie, yes, people can come in and discuss particular aspects of different paths. If they're just in there attacking Satanists because they're Satanists, I think that falls under the harassment or personal attack rule. That being said, disagreeing or questioning a particular path is not a *bad* thing. This *is* a discussion board, and we want people to discuss. You can't have that when everyone is afraid of stating their opinion for fear of offending someone. Or assuming that disagreement is a personal attack, which it's not. If people want to write in a place where no one questions what they say, then they can start a blog and rule it with an iron fist. Because doing things that stop discussion is really exactly the opposite of what a discussion board is trying to accomplish. I'm all for a general paths forum, but I am very much against having a different one for each different path.
And I also want to avoid fixing problems that we haven't yet had on this site. (I know, I'm probably the worst offender of this, LOL.) This is a new site, and we want to let it be new and create new problems for us to solve. And we're lucky, in that we have experience in dealing with this stuff. But I really think we should avoid fixing problems that we don't yet have.
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Post by Cassie on Jul 7, 2013 4:21:04 GMT -11
Cassie, yes, people can come in and discuss particular aspects of different paths. If they're just in there attacking Satanists because they're Satanists, I think that falls under the harassment or personal attack rule. That being said, disagreeing or questioning a particular path is not a *bad* thing. This *is* a discussion board, and we want people to discuss. You can't have that when everyone is afraid of stating their opinion for fear of offending someone. Or assuming that disagreement is a personal attack, which it's not. If people want to write in a place where no one questions what they say, then they can start a blog and rule it with an iron fist. Because doing things that stop discussion is really exactly the opposite of what a discussion board is trying to accomplish. I'm all for a general paths forum, but I am very much against having a different one for each different path. And I also want to avoid fixing problems that we haven't yet had on this site. (I know, I'm probably the worst offender of this, LOL.) This is a new site, and we want to let it be new and create new problems for us to solve. And we're lucky, in that we have experience in dealing with this stuff. But I really think we should avoid fixing problems that we don't yet have. That's fine, I'm happy to see how things go. BTW I love your avvy!
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Post by Kaylara on Jul 7, 2013 4:27:09 GMT -11
Thank you! I love me some Pucca!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2013 6:24:12 GMT -11
You're making a lot of assumptions there, though. When in doubt, post away, and we'll move it if we have to. That's part of our job. We won't give you grief about it, I promise. (Unless you are trolling, or similar things, obviously.) Honestly, moving a thread is one of the least annoying things in our job description. We just started this board, we know this kind of stuff is going to happen. We (the royal we) don't plan on going nuts on people for needing help on the board. I mean, if I'm getting crazy upset about having to move a thread, it's probably about time that I step down as an admin. YKWIM? Please, just post. Wait...I CAN'T TROLL!!! Just kidding.
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Post by Draco on Jul 7, 2013 10:05:23 GMT -11
Well would the practice forum be a pathworking forum? Because pathworking is a subject unto itself... I mean for example.
Say you start a thread about tring to find your place in modern times or in a new country. The struggle to stay true to your roots but to also adapt with your times.. Where would that go?
I also agree with Cassie that there's going to be problems- but I ccan also see the wisdom in that being the entire point as well. I think that having a thread that briefly discusses what each path entails... like a small blurg about what Satanism actually is (as opposed to what Pat Robertson thinks it is)... or if not, I think we at least need to be on top off pointing out cultural and path differences when it comes to perspective.
I think it's great that you want to focus on what brings us together that's a powerful thing but balance in everything. We also have to honor our differences as well and to do that we have to be aware of them.
It's like Unitarian Universalists.. we do a good job getting along and we do tend know about another's path in some regard but we do a poor job regarding on really understanding things from their shoes. I am UU but I do have to criticize UU's in general here.
I'd hate to see us make that same mistake as well. I think we might be able to have path listed in the post bit and emphasize a "consider someones path" guideline. It isn't a perfect suggestion, stereotypes abound.
We could say at the beginning of a post "considering a Satanic perspective" or something like that.
And this doesn't even begin to contemplate correspondences but that's the Cermeonial Magician in me talking.
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Post by Draco on Jul 7, 2013 10:09:57 GMT -11
Like it's nice when you don't have to explain how a concept is generally understood in the context of a path for the hundredth time. It's going to happen, sure but i see allot of confusion in shifting modes, esp. for those who are starting out on their path. Am I making any sense to you here?
But I mean it either works or it doesn't, I wouldn't worry to much about it. There's really only one way to find out.
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Post by Xentor on Jul 7, 2013 11:52:47 GMT -11
You don't have to explain yourself a hundred times. You could explain it once, and subsequently link to your explanation.
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Post by Graphite on Jul 7, 2013 14:42:42 GMT -11
Having paths sections create their very own problems. Instead of having thriving discussions about different aspects in the same place people have a tendency to cuddle up with their like-minded path friends and discuss their own things. So, instead of having a myriad of different perspectives on evil in the same place we will get several different discussions going on with little interaction. We do not want that, we want to see discussions and exchanges between all paths on subject matters. There is nothing that says a Wiccan cannot learn from a Satanist and the other way around. BUT, if we see people being harassed or insulted for their paths that is not okay.
Admittance of ignorance and an attempt to rectify that by asking questions is something I think we should encourage, but blatant attacks and harassment will never be encouraged.
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Post by Memnoch on Jul 7, 2013 15:03:45 GMT -11
I too think it is best to talk about issues and not paths for the reasons already mentioned.
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Post by Cassie on Jul 7, 2013 20:20:41 GMT -11
Admittance of ignorance and an attempt to rectify that by asking questions is something I think we should encourage, but blatant attacks and harassment will never be encouraged. I like that philosophy!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 1:45:01 GMT -11
I don't see a problem with path specific forums. While those of the same path may congregate there they certainly don't stay just there. Right now I have a series of 30 posts in 30 days I would love to do but some are Heathen specific and I don't see putting them any where as marked. At least an all-paths section would be more appropriate then nothing.
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Post by Xentor on Sept 21, 2013 22:22:11 GMT -11
Calling our current boards offer "nothing" is the opposite effect of what we were trying to achieve. If you would be so kind as to share the topics for your post, I'm sure we can find or create an appropriate accommodation.
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Post by RavenScar on Jan 20, 2014 16:19:18 GMT -11
I see the wisdom in both sides; If it's too broad then it's confusing, but at the same time if it's too specific it's confusing too, either side of the coin leaves you questioning where to post what. I guess this is a matter of balancing everything out in time. I'm faithful that the very capable admins will be able to sort things out and add more specific forums if/when they're needed. This certainly ins't their first rodeo, and thank heavens for that.
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