George Lucas: ‘Star Wars’ stood on the shoulders of ‘Star Tr

I have to agree with everything you just said- and here I thought this was going to be a fandom show-down.

Firefly always.

Honestly Lucas alienated his fans and showed a disregard for their opinions.

Stargate. 'Nuff said.

i like the trek reboots, honestly the original trek was Kirk hooking up with alien women and fighting aliens. Plus how can you justify sending the entire command crew on every away mission.

I am with you all the way. Into Darkness was very well done. I like the cast, plus Cumberbatch was great.

Actually this being an alternate timeline/reality means any number of variables could change. Chaos theory. The branching off for that reality could have honestly happened at any point.

I will admit that red matter was a huge plot hole, but this is a series with entities like the Q. I love Star Trek, but I don't hold that it was somehow not plot hole driven in all its incarnations. Things did what writers needed them to do, simple as that.

Sadly I have to concur that plot is the strongest force in the universe. Even Q can't escape it's annoyingness. 

I mean we could say it was Q but that seems rather lazy. Plus he usually turns up at some int when it is him. He likes the spotlight you know.

Yes time travel is unpredictable but it doesn't escape the laws of continuity (unless you create a causal paradox in which continuity still exists but not as separate reference points). You can see going back in time like sewing where you bring the need back around and enter a previous stitch. Your awareness of who you are at the later point of reference does not change. you still have all the memories of the original timeline 9the time traveler does). so your life-path that is the string is the only constant here and it does not cease to exist in that alternate future unless it unravels before it gets there. For the time traveler, the the information they are exposed to in each timeline does not case to exist once that timeline has vanished from their perceived course of time. they still remember it. the physical body containing those memories, of course being much more fragile. 

Future Spock could have cured the augment virus because well the timeline was messed up anyway. Well that works... tell us that you know?

Effect often ripples in forward manifestation. You can have a temporal phenomenon that ripples backward in time or both... but the perceived current is forward by default. Linear time is all perception anyway. It's ll a matter of causation and a dimension of measurement thereof. To which one might say you can't go back in time because it is the same moment that is destroyed and created and you'd have to have measured this from the point you wish to go back to. In a way though, we do, through our own memory or preconceived knowledge. To which you can argue that any going back in time is not living it as it were but how we perceive it was. so any experience of the past is creating a new feature. 

So I suppose when Nero and Spock went back in time they could have created a timeline where Klingons looked as they did in the TMP and TNG eras. However both were around in TOS and would naturally expect to find ridgless Klingons. And what about point of convergence? Would those of that time not have lived the same timeline up until Nero showed up? Because whether we see time as rigidly linear or as less concrete in reality they would still also influence the timeline. They have apparent will and volition of their own. Even if the past is re-created to current circumstance you would be going back to the old thread understanding those characters at had that time.

Could there have been something that altered the timeline and given Klingons the ridges? yes- but it wouldn't be a breaking of continuity but a weaving thereof. As improbable as it is calculate these things I don't see any reason for why they shouldn't have Ridges other than to make the movie appealing. Where is the point of Causation for the Ridges? The Virus was introduced pre-Kirk as we find out in ST: ENT. 

These are not small changes either we are dealing with
a) altered biological evolution of a species
b) one character not even looking to be of the right biological markers as in TOS.

If it weren't for Khan being genetically engineered we'd be dealing with transmigration here.  
Even if time is not linear it resents itself as such, with a given continuity. 
the unreality of a reality doesn't mean you can escape its logic. 

 

Fighting aliens yes, but honestly Kirk's reputation of banging anything that birthed had more to do with Shatner's offscreen habits than Kirk's.  Riker on the other hand... his character was originally intended for Star Trek Phase II, where we would see a set up very similar to TnG - except Data was going to be a pure bred Vulcan.

Well you do make a very good point. 

The splintor is shown the emergence of Nero's ship but I suppose many fans did assume it was the original Canonical timeline that was split. It could have been a completely different reality that was rebooted..... 

Tuche.... I can't refute the logic....

First off, messing with time-lines IS cannon within the Star Trek Universe - Star Fleet even has protocols for such events, as seen in the first season of the Original Series.  The Reboot series maintains the important elements of the cannon while allowing a range of new stories. 

As for Red-matter and an alternative reality with laws of physics which would allow something like red-matter... have you even watched Star Trek?  They are constantly doing things that break our universe's laws of physics,  red-matter is hardly the most ridiculous concept they've come up with in the series, or even the most counter-intuitive.  Example, the teleporter technology, their explanation of why it can't simply clone people as per need, is to talk about patter degradation - which hardly works when you consider holodecks and photonic personnel 

Hence his last name. I didn't say anything because it seemed like an honest mistake and this thread is already off-topic... but if it weren't for his last name I wouldn't have known his ethnicity. I'm not sure I would have assumed Native American but I can see it. Given his background I wonder why they picked that background for the genetic testing if any- but that's a dangerous discussion. 

Impressive.
i said I had seen every episode, 
but I haven't memorized every line. 

I am sorry, I dont remember where I got it that he was supposed to have a native american background. Then again the new one doesn't look very northern Indian either.

There are a number of Indians with Caucasian genetic history.  Even before the British colonized the subcontinent, having "white" skin was prized and a mark of the high castes.  They picked Northern India as the birth place, most likely, because North India has the largest Caucasoid population concentration. As Khan Noonie Singh, note: his last name is Singh not Khan, was supposed to be from 1990s India, it is also conceivable he is not of "Indian" decent (possibly British).  Truthfully, Ricardo Monteblan is a Spaniard (ethnically) or Mexican (citizenship).  So, his skin-tone is closer to Caucasoid Indians than Cumberbatch.

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Wells and company was standing on the backs of giants, too, Graphite.  Voltaire's works included Space Travel; Godwin wrote "The Man in the Moone".  Cyrano de Bergerac wrote "Comical History of the States and Empires of the Moon".  Johannes Kepler's "Somnium" (1634) was regarded as the first true science-fiction by the late Dr. Asimov and Dr. Sagan